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Subject: Fair enough.
Posted by: Dawg151 on Fri Jul 30 2010 9:52:15 AM
Message:

"At a legal level, it is true that nothing has changed. S.B. 1070
never took effect, so no law was lost.

At a more realistic level, everything has changed.

States have been left helpless to deal with the anarchy created by the
failure of the federal government to enforce border security. Whereas
yesterday it was unclear how far states (such as Rhode Island) could
go, today states are powerless.

The inability of a state to implement a policy of checking the
immigration status even of people already under arrest for some other
crime is remarkable.


While I cannot blame the Judge for striking some provisions of S.B.
1070 (particularly those creating independent criminal sanctions),
the ruling as to checking the status of people already under arrest
is mind-numbing.


As a reader to my prior post points out, states already routinely run
searches for a variety of statuses, including outstanding warrants,
child support orders, and non-immigration identity checks. Each of
these checks potentially could delay release of an innocent person or
burden some federal agency.

The Judge's reasoning, particularly that the status check provision
violated the 4th Amendment even as to persons already under arrest,
applies just as easily to these other status checks.

With a federal government which refuses to take action at the border
until there is a deal on "comprehensive" immigration reform, meaning
rewarding lawbreakers with a path to citizenship, this decision will
insure a sense of anarchy. The law breakers have been emboldened
today, for sure.

As it stands this afternoon, it is perfectly rational for someone
faced with the choice of obeying the immigration laws or not, to
choose not to do so. The choice of lawlessness makes a lot more sense
than spending years winding through the byzantine legal immigration
system, because the end result will be the same but lawlessness gets
you here more quickly.

When the law and the federal government reward lawlessness,
something is very wrong.
"

- William A. Jacobson, Associate Clinical Professor of Law, Cornell
Law School, Ithaca, NY (1984 graduate of Harvard Law School)

I'm no lawyer or law expert, either. However, when law professors
begin using words like "remarkable" and "mind-numbing", it kid of
sheds some light on what might be going on.

Current Thread:

  Re: Arizona & immigration law; Thomas Jefferson & nullification  --  Rockmart Dawg   Thu Jul 29 2010 11:02:24 AM
      Nullification was the reason for the Civil War. That war......................  --  MRDAWG   Fri Jul 30 2010 8:17:58 PM
      It's too bad Thomas Jefferson ...  --  Shoe Shine Boy   Thu Jul 29 2010 5:14:35 PM
          The "Supremacy Clause" did come into play in this situation...  --  Dawg151   Fri Jul 30 2010 9:37:24 AM
              Exactly. This entire issue is about the Dems trying to roll the dice in their...  --  davesdawgs   Fri Jul 30 2010 1:34:20 PM
      Well, according to the judge, more than immigration law was affected...  --  Dawg151   Thu Jul 29 2010 2:45:44 PM
          As I note below...  --  Shoe Shine Boy   Fri Jul 30 2010 9:51:45 AM
          I guarantee you that judge was under full briefing...  --  Rockmart Dawg   Thu Jul 29 2010 3:07:54 PM
              You guarantee?  --  SSDawg      Thu Jul 29 2010 4:39:23 PM
                  Come on, SS...  --  Dawg151   Fri Jul 30 2010 9:32:33 AM
                      Re: Come on, SS...  --  SSDawg      Fri Jul 30 2010 9:36:17 AM
                          I don't know if she's an "evil librul" or not...  --  Dawg151   Fri Jul 30 2010 9:42:34 AM
                              I don't agree with the ruling....  --  SSDawg      Fri Jul 30 2010 9:47:07 AM
                                  Fair enough.  --  Dawg151   Fri Jul 30 2010 9:52:15 AM
                                      By the way...  --  SSDawg      Fri Jul 30 2010 10:17:30 AM
                                          Yet his argument seems sound from a common sense perspective. So if the ruling  --  davesdawgs   Fri Jul 30 2010 1:45:50 PM
                                              Re: Yet his argument seems sound from a common sense perspective. So if the ruli  --  SSDawg      Fri Jul 30 2010 2:37:55 PM
                                                  SS is right on that.  --  Dawg151   Fri Jul 30 2010 2:46:33 PM
                                                      There in lies the problem: insufficient resources and therefore political will..  --  davesdawgs   Fri Jul 30 2010 4:21:23 PM
                                      If his opinion is shared...  --  SSDawg      Fri Jul 30 2010 10:07:50 AM
              Just as an example of how absurd the ruling is...  --  Dawg151   Thu Jul 29 2010 3:32:16 PM
                  If you are already under arrest...  --  Shoe Shine Boy   Fri Jul 30 2010 9:46:06 AM
                      SSB, you need to re-read the ruling...  --  Dawg151   Fri Jul 30 2010 9:57:32 AM
                          Translation: the fed is not providing an efficient system and/or sufficient...  --  davesdawgs   Sun Aug 1 2010 12:55:16 PM
                          You're right...  --  Shoe Shine Boy   Fri Jul 30 2010 10:53:43 AM
                              Why?  --  Dawg151   Fri Jul 30 2010 1:33:37 PM
                                  I honestly have no idea why it would be a burden...  --  SSDawg      Fri Jul 30 2010 2:52:46 PM
                                      Yet that reason along with the restriction of liberty...  --  Dawg151   Fri Jul 30 2010 3:01:08 PM
                  You said it: Insanity is the only assessment of what we are seeing related to...  --  davesdawgs   Thu Jul 29 2010 4:18:52 PM
                      Couple of questions.  --  Drago   Fri Jul 30 2010 4:25:15 AM
                          I provided a link with insight into the last presidential election:  --  davesdawgs   Sun Aug 1 2010 2:16:12 PM
                          If we're going to open the issue of racial politics...  --  Dawg151   Fri Jul 30 2010 9:25:27 AM
                              Re: If we're going to open the issue of racial politics...  --  Drago   Fri Jul 30 2010 10:33:03 AM
      To add to that; Jefferson's words in the Kentucky Resolution.  --  Rockmart Dawg   Thu Jul 29 2010 1:07:25 PM
      Absolutely !! Every state should enact a similar law and nullify any federal..  --  davesdawgs   Thu Jul 29 2010 11:22:45 AM


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